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Ride the High Country,

The Wheelmen are an antique bicycle club. From early on we focused on pre-1918 bicycles and have recently expanded to 1932.
Many Wheelmen have and enjoy safeties of all stripes. Most of the cover stories for our recent magazines
have focused on safeties.
when will we need to re-register?

Hi Greg,

A specific elevation date for the new Message Board has not been set, but
I anticipate our going live the Week of the 13th of April.

It will be obvious by the new look that the elevation has taken place and
at that time you will be able to submit your re-registration.

Kind regards,

Many thanks for that reply.

I suppose that another reason I have hesitated to join the Wheelmen is that I assumed that the focus of the newsletters and magazines is on high-wheel bicycles. Although I find them beautiful and elegant machines, iconic symbols of the Victorian period, I can not ride one and will thus, alas, never own one. My interest is primarily in the very early safety era.

The barrier certainly wasn’t parsimony on my part. And I certainly do see the value in the Wheelmen! I hope that I didn’t convey an impression to the contrary. I may well become a member soon, but it would not change my opinion on the matter of the proposed restrictions.

Although a number of special interest club sites do restrict some material to paying members, it is most unusual, I think, to so restrict the discussion forums, though there is occasionally a special sub-forum limited to members, where they may discuss club business in private.

I fear that restricting the Wheelmen forums would have negative consequences for the organisation, in that it would eliminate an important mechanism whereby interested parties might be drawn to become members. It would also limit the breadth of discussion, as well as the trade in antique bicycles and related items. In a sense, the proposed changes portend something of a withdrawal from the outside world.

The current Wheelmen forums are uncommonly quiet. Imagine what they would be like if non-members were barred from participation. Please think very carefully about this.

If the cost of maintaining the forums is an issue, it would be possible to add a link for donations via PayPal.

Does the original forum exist at all in storage?
when will we need to re-register?
Thank you for your thoughtful response.

Being a member of the Wheelmen is more than being able to attend in-person events.
Members receive a quarterly newsletter, an excellent semi-annual magazine and become part of a community of enthusiasts.
The club publishes a directory to help connect those members among other benefits and now
parts of the website will be reserved for members.

With so much available on the internet for free we are all used to getting everything for free, but
the Wheelmen is not a business and resources like the website cost real money. We do not get
internet revenue from advertising or selling personal data.

I hope you will re-evaluate and see the value in The Wheelmen.  Membership is $30 annually.

Yes, it is very unfortunate that we were unable to maintain the earlier message board.
The archiving of the current message board is not aspirational, the programming is
already done and we will be able to keep a link to the current message board.
With time hopefully the new message board can become a great resource again.
I am not a member of the Wheelmen, in part because for various reasons I am unable to attend events. But I have read and participated on the Wheelmen forums for years.

As a non-member, my opinions of the planned changes to the web-site may not carry any weight, but I’ll state them anyway.

Ever since the old forum disappeared, the Wheelmen’s web presence has faltered. The old forum was a fount of valuable historical and technical information, much of it contributed by members who no longer participate, or who have passed away. When the current forum was initiated, it was announced that the old one would be either merged with it, or put up as an archive. Neither happened, and a rich source of data appears to be gone forever.

I think that the change, and the disappearance of years of splendid posts and discussions, was discouraging to many members, and this may be why participation on the current forum is so sparse. Much of the activity has moved to the Wheelmen FaceBook page, which is a useful venue, but not nearly as good a record as a proper forum.

When I met with Craig Allen in December of 2018 to pick up a special 1893 Featherstone Prince bicycle he had beautifully restored, we briefly discussed the new Wheelmen forum, and he called it the “Wheelmen index”. He was joking of course, but he was essentially right. A look at the threads of the forum, and the number of replies to posts, will show sadly little interaction—a mere shadow of what the original forum was like.

Now, it is proposed to make most of the Wheelmen web-site—including a new forum—accessible only to dues-paying members. This will in my opinion further marginalise the site and forum. It would bar from participation those who have much to offer, but who may not be able or willing to become paying members of the Wheelmen. It would discourage potential new members. It would prevent non-members from offering for sale items that members would want. And from my experiences with other clubs, I can say that it will not motivate people to become paying members simply to access the site or post a question or message on the forum.

A look at just the pre-1930 sub-forum of the CABE will show that there is certainly no dearth of interest in antique bicycles, and thus no reason why things should not be much more lively here.

I suggest that while the proposed changes are under consideration, some thought be given to fostering an open, welcoming web presence, with a forum that invites free participation from throughout the world.

If the original forum could be put up in archive form, so much the better.
Important changes are being made to the Wheelmen website in the next few weeks.

Photos and Video Pages:
These pages are being updated with the option to submit material to the Administrator for consideration to be shared on the site.

Reference Material pages:
Bulletins, Magazines and PDF Attachments will be "Members Only" pages. Members of the Wheelmen will be able
to access these pages with a user name and password.

Message Board
The Message Board is being updated to a more user friendly format (Attachment shows slides to help orient users).
Important: everyone will need to re-register for the site. To become a registered user of the Wheelmen website and Message Board, you will
need to be a paying member of the Wheelmen organization. The website registration process is not automated and each registration request will be
reviewed for approval by the website Administrator. Since this is a manual process please be patient if your registration isn't
immediately approved. We will work to approve requests as timely as we can.

The current message board will be archived with access through a link on the new Message Board.

It will be easier to attach photos or other documents and create links in your posts. There is no pre-specified size limit for the attachments.
Additional options exist to compose your posts and features such as creating a poll.

The goal of this message is to give current users advanced notice of the changes that are coming. While there will always be
opportunity to improve, I believe these new enhancement will provide a better user experience and improve the club's ability
to share more proprietary information with club members online.

At this challenging time of social distancing I hope the enhanced website Message Board will be an outlet for Wheelmen to stay connected.

Kind regards,

Eric Knight
The Wheelmen
I have the 1894 and 1896 PREMIER original catalogs from my huge inventory of catalogs for sale if interested.
Anyone else that is interested in original catalogs for your bicycle contact me via email and I can email you a PDF of the inventory compiled so far that is for sale.
Also PLEASE ASK ME if a catalog is NOT LISTED on the PDF you receive as I am still finding more catalogs that aren't listed yet.
Email me your WANT LIST.
Mike Cates
(760) 473-6201
In researching through my catalogs concerning my 1890 LOZIER & YOST GIANT NO. 4 hard tire safety that I currently have For Sale, I came across the continuation of the H.A. Lozier company now offering this 1892 CLEVELAND NO. 1 cushion tire bicycle with double diamond frame and also using the Bolte front fork springing. Does anyone have one of these bicycles and if so, please share some photos for all of us to see and learn from. This CLEVELAND NO. 1 is an interesting hybrid of using the design of the COLUMBIA double diamond framing and the Bolte front fork springing of the LOZIER & YOST GIANT NO. 4 hard tire safety.
Also the use of the YOST patent saddle on both bicycles.
Mike Cates, CA.
Wanted. I am looking for a Premier pneumatic safety, preferably with a truss or cross frame. Thanks Phil I can collect from anywhere in the US.
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